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Welcome to the Music and Trauma podcast where Chris and Teri Potter are asking artists, musicians and guests what are the Three Songs that Saved You? and exploring what matters to them about music and mental health.

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Okay, we'll do it the other way around. I'm Chris. and I'm Teri. Okay, so I don't even know what we're calling this. Episode outro. Episode outro. Yeah. And I think this is really just an opportunity for me to be a bit quieter. This is my challenge now. doesn't sound good to me. you know, first of all, you can get into thanking some people. Yeah, of course. Yeah, we do have a massive debt of thanks to pay to all of the people that have contributed to the first series of the podcast.

all of the artists and everybody else that's helped us in terms of the graphic part of the process, the branding, the encouragement, the advice about podcasts, because obviously we didn't really know anything about it when we started this out. Now Elijah came in for us there, Dan's come in and he's helped us in so many ways as well. Yeah, yeah. And so has everybody really. we've had a lot of encouragement from people as well that's been really

helpful to get us to carry on the process and complete the first series. So thanks to everybody that's helped. Also, in terms of the licensing, you might have noticed that Music and Trauma hasn't been as much music as we'd hoped originally. We've had a bit of a tricky time with the licensing as it goes. I interject something though, at this point? Because I know that it's been a lot of work.

to try and get these licenses approved. And we kind of got halfway with 90 % of them and we held off on launching the podcast and held off and held off until it was just like, can't hold off anymore. This has to start in August. It has to go. But I think it's been an absolute blessing in disguise, you know, as much as we would love those licenses to come through and they will, mean, no doubt as this podcast is out there in the ether and it sits, we'll gradually top it up and put those songs in. But the opportunity to showcase.

our artists work has been phenomenal and I just think that was always meant to happen. See, I couldn't stop myself talking. Your turn. Back to you. No, I agree. So yeah, I will just explain it in a little more depth and we can, you know, as usual, edit it all out later. So in order to play a commercially released song on this podcast, we have to get a publishing license from the publisher.

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and a master's license from the record company for each song and it's 20 songs, so that's 40 licenses. And obviously, as we're non-profit and supporting two charities, Nordoff and Robbins and Youth Music UK, we've needed to try and get all of these licenses for nothing. Which is a bit of a tall order, you know, when you're dealing with major record labels and everything.

But we have had some success. We've got a lot of the publishing licenses. And we've actually had some really lovely emails and contact with certain artists and publishing companies, but it doesn't stop there. We then have to go beyond them to get to the next part. Exactly. Yeah. So yeah, we've had some very positive responses and there are a couple of people that I should thank in particular, just in terms of the licensing. Liesl Takeuchi at Downtown Music and

Nick Otto at BMG and Nick Cave, all of whom have just been really, really helpful in terms of just understanding the project and just going with it where the tendency I will say with some of the other major labels has been to, how do we put this? They have a bit of policy, which is no. Yeah. I wanted to say politely, our hands are tied.

But you're right, it's nice. Yeah, but we will overcome this, you know, over the next few weeks and months, we will finally get these licenses and we'll change up the episodes to include the music. So it will all be complete at some stage. It will. And I think this body of work that we've all, artists included, you know, put together. Tummy rumbling again. yeah, had to show up today. Every single episode. Yeah. So yeah, I think we've dropped this body of work.

of six artist episodes to float out there in the ether. What we've observed ourselves is that podcasts, I now know people don't tend to get around to them for a while. I get it, right? We've all got like lists and if somebody asked me to listen to something, I'll go like, okay, if I get around to it, goes on a list and it's like, when am I doing a long drive? There's a lot going on. Yeah. When am I on holiday? When have I got the luxury to stick a pair of headphones on?

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So we're noticing more and more even close friends, know, they're only just getting to kind of episodes one and two several months in. So I feel like this is going to float for a while and I feel, you know, let's see what happens. And we always said, if we only reach a few hundred people, obviously we've gone way over that already, but you know, it was already worth it. And for us, for you and I. absolutely. We've learned an awful lot from this, haven't we, from this process. We've gained a lot from it. What have you gained? Well, I've learned a lot about...

Yeah, you think you know someone. Our friends that have come through the door. And yeah, the depth, you know, there's so much more to everybody's story than even people that you know quite well, that you think you know quite well. You know, there's a lot else going on. Yeah. People's openness and willingness to share stuff that's quite personal and you would naturally shy away from necessarily.

putting on any sort of public platform. Yeah, that's been quite eye-opening and inspiring in a way. It's good. I would say you included on that. You know, the journey you've been on just to show up and do this. And one of the comments that I've received often has been, you know, wow, Chris is really, you know, showing up. He's totally out of his comfort zone, but look, this is amazing. Totally. Still here though, we made it to the end. made it. We made it to the end. I did just want to give a bit of...

mentioned to the charities because, know, Nordoff and Robbins and at this point, you know, still early days, we haven't raised a huge amount of money. It is something that, you we're never going to tell people to get on and donate, but get on and donate something. We sound like Bob Geldof. What did he say? Give us yer fucking money. Give us yer fucking money. But the work that they are doing is phenomenal. Nordoff and Robbins, you know, they are out there supporting some of the UK's most isolated and vulnerable people. And you know, they're

training the music therapists of tomorrow and they are funding the research that makes the work so increasingly effective for people. You know, they really are supporting people who are unwell, they're supporting people of all ages and when we have youth music as well and if you're familiar with the Youth Music Awards there, I they're phenomenal, some of the art that comes through this.

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organization is amazing. mean, they're out there. Their motto, I believe, is we're giving every young person the chance to make, learn and earn in music. You know, people who it isn't available to. The opportunity to be mentored, the opportunity to be shown a way to actually be who they are through music and be able to show up in the world that way. mean, it's phenomenal. Obviously, even our last artist, Dave Norgrove, you know, he worked

in music therapy with just the most basics, a tambourine and a couple of old guitars and started to make a bit of a noise. And it really makes a difference, doesn't it? Yeah, I think his line was all of a sudden, you know, it was like everyone's invited and everybody's smiling and show. Most importantly, we really just wanted people who were feeling like they were alone to feel less alone and to realize that actually we all feel like that sometimes. And we just hope it has been helpful.

zipping it for a minute and I'm going to let you talk. what have you gleaned from it? I'll ask her a question and then I can shut up again. Well, I'm going to ask you then. You already have. okay. So what have you gleaned from doing this process? What have you learned from it? I've learned that everybody has their own style of managing and coping with the day to day challenges. We've all learned to cope.

in such unique ways. And also, I've been taught this in many different ways. Nobody needs fixing. I think what's been interesting for me was listening to people and really having a whole new respect and regard for everybody's own internal process and their own internal wisdom about how they show up. I think agency is so important that we all

get to figure it out for ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, there's tools and there's support and there's all kinds of stuff out there, which is incredibly helpful. We've got a lot of links to those things on the... Yeah, those links are all on the website. fact, I'll add some more. I just think it's absolutely incredible the way our own systems, our own bodies and our own nervous systems protect us. And can find a way to... And find a way to manage until... To manage. Until it gets a bit too much. But then if you can say that out loud...

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then like, I've been managing for so long and now it's just too much. No, I'm not managing. No, I'm not managing. I feel like what I've experienced in this setting with all of these different people is when you get into a safe space like that, and I feel like it's been reflected back to us, it felt like a safe space and it did to me. You can say those things. That's the crux of the matter, isn't it really, to just be able to say what you need to say. Say what you need to say, bring music into it because, know, gosh, if we need to feel then...

That's been amazing. mean, yeah, it's been great. Yeah. Here's what actually saved me. You know, that tagline, Three Songs that Saved You? just landed for us. But yeah, songs save people. I did have a thought actually. Now you mentioned it is that I'll do at some point, I'll do a playlist of all the songs. So that'll be out there shortly as well. Especially while we're waiting for the licenses. We'll get a playlist up so that you guys can access that from the show notes. Yeah.

and from our website so that all the songs that people have. That's going to be quite an interesting compilation just as a thing. So yes, there'll be a Spotify playlist and an Apple playlist as well of all of these tunes up on the show notes and on the website. But yeah, it's been kind of bonkers, isn't it? Because we've had like different days, different people, different stuff, lots of editing. That's been a journey for you, It has, some of these conversations have been three and a half hours long.

Yeah, importantly so as well. Yeah, absolutely. and sometimes we got interrupted because the Deliveroo guy showed up. So yeah, the social media stuff's been interesting as well. But I just want to give a shout out to our daughter Eden as well, who halfway through all of this, she came into the fray rescuing me from a Photoshop experience. I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know how to work with layers. I was trying to do all the artwork because obviously this is a completely homespun effort.

And she took the laptop from me and said, mom, just like this. She said, I've been doing this since I was 12 on TikTok. I'm like, okay. So Eden is now a big part of our social media team of her and me. that's it. A little shout out to her. Who knows? Maybe one day she'll show up and talk on the podcast too. So it's been a journey. I do think we need to just sort of wind up by asking anyone that's listening. What did you get from it? Let us know.

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Yeah, we've got an email address. It's all over the show notes, but it's info@musicandtrauma.com. Feel free to just email us. We'd love to hear your thoughts. Like what did you like? What did you not like? If we did go forward and do another series, what would be the changes? would be the changes? What would you want to be different? I mean, we've had the luxury of being able to have people come in and sit down with us and, you know, enjoy their company. it's been very intimate. Yeah.

They've all been done in person. They've all been done in person, all been done in our little backyard studio. So there's all kinds of possibilities. Yeah. We'll put a little poll up. Yeah. Do you even want any more? Or is this enough? You know, is this body of work floating in the ether? Enough. Enough for everybody. It's like Alan Partridge isn't it? Whether you get a second series or not. Yeah. So it's up to you guys. Do we get a second series though? Let us know.

So I think all that really remains is just for us to thank everybody for listening. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Bye. Bye.

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Okay, here's the legal stuff. This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes. We are not licensed therapists and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, psychotherapist or other qualified professional.